host: this is one of the reasons you are opposed to the nomination of chuck hagel, right? guest: 0 move it is the club he belongs to. movement is the club he belongs to. anyone who joined the group is as we want to have a nuclear pre-world sounds so good, but you do not lead by example. you do not say we will do away with ours, because that we don't china, russia, north korea will all the weight with the capabilities. that is one of the objections i have. host: you have said he would wage a filibuster against his nomination. it looks like all 53 democrats plus two independents and two of your colleagues are also willing to support his nomination. that gets into 60. -- him to 60. guest: i am not filibustering. all you have to do is demand a 60 vote margin. i am doing that. almost all controversial appointments and up for many of them end up with a 60 vote margin. that is what we want. you may be right, they may be right there on 60. if so, you will see a lot of people change boats so they could be on the prevailing side, that is something that is quite common. i of saying w